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[Nicori] Please Don't Go

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I know nothing is official yet... but, expecting the worst, shouldn't we discuss ideas, Just Ideas, like a message book for Nicole that contains messages from Kamelia that doesn't condemn her for her decisions but instead give her "thanks" for the smiles that she has given us?

 

Whaaaah..... Nicole don't go!

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kara isn't kara without nicole...and jing too  :crying:

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Well now I am just depressed...I go check OurNikori everyday happily,then this drops on me.I really hope she doesn't leave the group and dsp clarify it as soon as possible.Maybe when she recieves all our gifts for her birthday she'll realize how much kamilias love and needs her.I really can't imagine Kara without Nicole because she has been with Kara all the way through from 2007.
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I know nothing is official yet... but, expecting the worst, shouldn't we discuss ideas, Just Ideas, like a message book for Nicole that contains messages from Kamelia that doesn't condemn her for her decisions but instead give her "thanks" for the smiles that she has given us?  

Whaaaah..... Nicole don't go!

I was just going to send her a message on Twitter telling her that I'm happy to have been able to watch her as part of KARA and wishing her the best in her future endeavors. I suspect she'll keep her social accounts open. I doubt she'd cut the other girls out of her life.

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For some reason why, I keep on listening to "Love Is" after her announced departure. It makes me feel soooo sad=(

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This is a really sticky situation. I want her to stay so bad but than again peoples esp non Kamilia will say Kara had made another media stunt like in 2011 (But big part of me hope she stays). then goes the part where she leaves. lots of crap will be heard as well, one that I hate the most was how she is not talented enough, she's not going to make it as a solo  :gemangry:  huh! I want her to prove them wrong! Nicole is talented. If she quits the entertainment world where else can I see her?  :gemcry: No Way!

However as much as I wanted to see her again some part of me agree that if she choose to completely quit and venture to other non entertainment field it's actually is the best. she must have hurt and endure alot cause we don't know what happen behind the scene. even among Kamilia, not all likes her. she's might be blame for things that happen. So, whatever the path she choose is I hope she will have big success and be happy. Nicole JJANG :touched:

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Is there no more room for negotiation?Really Nicole is just gonna leave like that?Thats it?I still find this incredibly hard to take in and I am in like the ultimate denial stage.I really hope she stays in entertainment instead of just disappearing like Sung Hee.I really hope DSP finds a way to convince Nicole to stay.

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Is there no more room for negotiation?Really Nicole is just gonna leave like that?Thats it?I still find this incredibly hard to take in and I am in like the ultimate denial stage.I really hope she stays in entertainment instead of just disappearing like Sung Hee.I really hope DSP finds a way to convince Nicole to stay.

Well, she still has time to decide to stay. I'd assume that if she tells DSP in the middle of December she'd like to stay in KARA, they'd renew immediately.

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Hello guy's, how are you? Good Morning from Argentina. I'm writting because Nicole possted a messaje for us in twitter but i'm not able to understand and google traductor sucks. I hope someone can traduce it please :P

Here is the link: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rpf61h

If its in English of Spanish better. Thank you so much (And sorry for bad english, now im learning watching dramas and movies english subbed because i don´t have money to pay a english teacher)

Cya

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Hello guy's, how are you? Good Morning from Argentina. I'm writting because Nicole possted a messaje for us in twitter but i'm not able to understand and google traductor sucks. I hope someone can traduce it please :P

Here is the link: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rpf61h

If its in English of Spanish better. Thank you so much (And sorry for bad english, now im learning watching dramas and movies english subbed because i don´t have money to pay a english teacher)

Cya

http://www.allkpop.com/article/2013/10/karas-nicole-clarifies-her-departure-from-the-group-on-twitter#axzz2gtK0sFp3

Allkpop's translation seems to be decent. Not that I can really tell, not knowing Korean.

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http://www.allkpop.com/article/2013/10/karas-nicole-clarifies-her-departure-from-the-group-on-twitter#axzz2gtK0sFp3

Allkpop's translation seems to be decent. Not that I can really tell, not knowing Korean.

I'm willing to count it as good enough since it really sounds like the Nicole we know. Looking through, it seems like she wants to remain in KARA, but use a different management company for the rest of her activities. Presumably DSP would continue to manage her KARA activities. It seems to me like the smart choice would be to give in to her. KARA's a huge brand and her leaving would likely damage DSP's image and profits. Cole's obviously unsatisfied with how DSP manages her, as well, so using another management company for her non-KARA activities would probably keep her happy. The situation she seems to prefer is really a win-win for Cole, since she would continue as KARA, what she seems to really want, while being able to do more outside of KARA. Win-win for DSP, as well, since they wouldn't have damaged such a huge group, and they'll look rather reasonable.

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So she wants more freedom to do what she wants to pursue, but she still wants to be a part of KARA. She's so humble, I love her. But so many issues arise with this. I hope for the best, for Nicole and Kamilia... 

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Just read the news two days ago after reading the entire Kara crisis thread which happened two years ago!  

I can't believe this is happening again! Two of the members have to decide on their own stakes in life!  

Surely if Jung Nicole will go on solo for her another management (who will take care and make responsible of her craft), then, it's not DSP's responsibility anymore, but will definitely damage the company's image. Same as Kang Jiyoung, that will also leave to pursue her studies as well next year.  

But one thing's for sure that will happen! Whatever their decision will they make, hope that Heavens will guide them and they will be in good hands!  

P.S.     :lonely:  :teary: Nikori... :gemdown::depressed:  Maknae... :gemcry::sulk:  Kajima!!!  :disappointed:  :frustrated:

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i just nicole to be safe and happy. letting go (if it actually happens) will be really hard, but if she's happy then so am i

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I'm so confused now...I want Nicole to stay with KARA forever, but also, I want her to be happy and to go after her dreams and goals. I guess at the end I'll keep supporting her no matter what. She will always be part of KARA. Let's wait and see what happens, there's still time for DSP and Nicole to think this over, but we as Kamilia let's stay strong!

KARA FIGHTING! NICOLE FIGHTING!

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I am gonna post this here since I can't make my own thread. Posting this on general kpop forums it won't be appreciated at all. So I am posting it here, even though I am not known here. I hope someone appreciates this at least. It's my thoughts,and an analysis of Nicole's situation. 
(Skip to bold if you want to hear my guesses for where Nicole is going)
Listen, here is the thing. Any Kamilia will tell you Nicole has been shafted since 2011. 2011 she sued DSP, and DSP wasn't happy. Now, so did Seungyeon and Jiyoung, but A. Jiyoung was young and sorta bandwagoned on the train (and even then DSP does shaft Jiyoung) and Seungyeon essentially is the promotional Queen for Kara alongside Hara. ######ing Seungyeon means ruining Kara.  What did they do to Nicole? They canceled all her activities and stopped any possible future ones. They took her off Star Golden Bell, and when has she been on variety since? Hell, why wasn't she on Radio Star? She wasn't busy, but DSP doesn't give a ######. Nicole wants OUT OF DSP. She doesn't care. She isn't making any money, and she doesn't have any freedom. So why stay in DSP? 
 
Now a quick note, recently Nicole expressed her desire to remain as a member of Kara. Read this:
See this is the thing, she is a nice girl, who wants relationships. She has so many friends, and won't break them. That's why she said that. The only possible situation I see is negotiating to promote as a member of Kara, but have her activities handled outside of DSP. That's all I can realistically see happening. 
 
So where is Nicole gonna go? Well see this is the thing. 
You forget, Nicole is probably one of the most liked and sociable idols in the industry. She is friends with the ENTIRE 91line basically. That includes Mir, Jinwoon, Key, and even ######in' CL of all people. Even Woohyun and stuff. Nicole is friends with basically the ENTIRE 91line. That doesn't mean she will go to their ents. That's an ENTIRELY different story. 
 
Nicole basically breaks the rules of Kpop. Companies aren't allowed to be friends, but Nicole sort of ruins that. Heechul (@yukistar9) also ruins that rule. Why? Neither of them give a single ######. Why? Because their ents were ######ing pricks to them/those they cared about and they stopped caring a long time ago. Now see this is the thing, UNLIKE HEECHUL, Nicole CAN leave DSP. Leaving SM basically means death. It means your career is over, JYJ style. Granted, JYJ sells, but they were the biggest idols EVER to grace the Kpop world. Therefore they are an exception. DSP is rubbish. Goddamn trash. They used to be Big 3, but they are no where near SS501 days. They ruined the company. The management changed and they died. Ajax and Rainbow are ###### promotion-ally, and all they have is Kara. Now they barely even have that anymore. So overall, Nicole can very well leave DSP and be fine career wise. So what ent will she go too?
 
See, this is the entertainment industry, but Korea operates a little differently. Just having connections doesn't get you into a company. Let's look at them for a minute. 
YG-I don't care how good friends she is with anyone in YG, she isn't going to be accepted into YG. YG either accepts puppies he can hand craft (aka Akdong, Lee Hi, etc) or #1 in their respective fields (Psy is easily now the #1 solo and one of the hardest working and talented guys, Epik High are nothing short of geniuses and #1 rap group, hands down). Nicole is neither of those, and if anything already trained with a DIFFERENT mindset than YG wants. No on the YG front. 
 
SM-She is a female, something SM doesn't give a ###### about, and SM hates her. God damn the tension on Star Golden Bell when SNSD went on. they even called out Nicole asking if she was friends with the members, and it was sorta obvious not. Plus they are older. Yeh, sure, she knows Key, but Key doesn't have ANY sort of pull in SM. Hell none of their idols do. Short of MAYYYYBBBEEEEE Yuhno, Onew, Yoona, Taeyeon, Eunhyuk, and Donghae, no one in that company could pull ###### from SM if they wanted. And theoretically even IF THEY COULD AND WOULD PULL FOR NICOLE we know from JYJ, Yuhno is too much of a ######. Onew is high on success and wont risk his career. Yoona is retarded. Taeyeon isn't risking her career. Eunhyuk and Donghae won't clash against SM. They are Suju puppies. Sm isn't happening. 
 
JYP-Now JYP is interesting. They probably have the best relationship, and JYP is the most open out of all idols to allowing friendships. Example, ,Taec-Sica. That ###### was REAL bitches. JYP and YG are known friends, and probably the only ent that doesn't hate each others guts. Goddamn does SM despise YG and JYP. For good reason too. The only reason YG and JYP are friends is because they need to combat SM's industry pull. Alone they can't, together they can. So, would Nicole go to JYP? We need to look at JYP's history with Nicole and as an Ent. 
 
JYP has MANY of her friends. Including Mir and Jinwoon. However, Jinwoon was just sent out of commission so he doesn't matter. Bad, BAD timing if Nicole seriously wanted to move to JYP. Mir is also MBLAQ. Now you may not know, but JYP has awful relationships with Rain. Rain left JYP after Making MBLAQ. The old CEO of JYP is now the CEO of a sub-group under cube. THAT'S why Rain is in Cube. Park Jinyoung himself isn't on good terms with Rain. You leave, and JYP hates you. Ala Jay Park style. MBLAQ has no pull because of this. That's also why they aren't promoted. JYP doesn't care about them. 2pm are his little puppies. JYP has a STRIKING history of losing their best artists. From Hyuna, to Jay Park, to Rain, JYP seriously needs to get his potential soloists under control. 
Now look at who JYP took into the company AFTER THEY DEBUTED. Eh no one. Lol. He is sorta like YG. He cares about family, (especially after that solo, christ almighty Jinyoung), he likes training puppies,and LOYALTY is what he cares about. Nicole has no loyalty to him. 
Overall, she isn't going to JYP, regardless of her friends in the industry. So let's look at other ents. 
 
Cube. Cube is prolly one of the better ents when it comes to taking in old idols. In fact, 95% of cube (unlike JYP, YG and SM) are all ex-other ents. Half their company comes from those three alone. Nicole is friends with Cube members as well. But see this is the thing, Cube isn't taking in Nicole. Why? Too many female solos already. From Gna, to Hyuna, to the soon Shin Ji-hoon debut. On top of that, Apink are they new play things, and they intend to send one of them solo and turn one of them Hyuna-style. Stylistically Cube doesn't have ROOM for Nicole. It's not a matter of if they would let Nicole in, it's a matter of Cube not being a good choice for her because they wouldn't focus on her AT ALL. Nicole knows that, and Cube is definitely a no-go for Nicole. 
 
So that's basically all the ents. All her friends are in them, and realistically almost all the major idol groups from that 2nd Idol gen come from them. The ONLY other option is Pledis. I actually think Pledis is a pretty good ent. They try and promote members, and they KNOW THE ISSUE WITH AFTERSCHOOL. They aren't blind. They see it. Simply not a "big member" to promote after Kahi left. They also have two solos, Kahi and Dambi. Whether Kahi is a success and the next Hyori is going to heavily depend on this comeback, I believe. However, I doubt Nicole would go to pledis, even though she is friends with some of AS. I just don't see it being a fit for her, and she knows it. There is also Loen. I think Loen is a STRONG possibility I believe. Why? Solo artists, distribution power, connections within the company (aka IU) and they give their artists not only freedom, but have the power to get Nicole on variety, WHICH IS WHAT SHE WANTS. However, I think she has better options. Whether she CAN take them is a different story. 
 
She needs to pull the same move ex-first gen artists did. She needs to pull a Hyori, an Inyoung, etc. It's hard to become a powerful female solo, but those two did it. Seo In Young wasn't the most talented girl in Kpop, and matter of fact neither was Lee Hyori; sorry to say. Ock Joohyun is a billion times more talented than Hyori, but Hyori had the solo mindset. See the interesting thing is that Hyori left DSP, and I have half a mind to say Nicole is taking a page DIRECTLY from Hyori's book right now. Will she be the next Hyori? I really don't know. You can say no, but Hyori wasn't what she was UNTIL given artistic freedom AFTER leaving. I think Nicole could very well do it. Vocally she is where Inyoung and Hyori were, and she has the likability factor that Inyoung had (hell, she has more). So this is my prediction. 
 
There are actually two companies I feel she could go too.
For those who don't know, CJ is probably....the third most powerful entertainment company in korea? (Read for ###### you don't need to know)

See, you people like to think this industry is about Idols and management companies. It's so not that it's not even funny. It's about connections and major companies. LOEN is more powerful than SM. Like, when I say more powerful, I mean a couple billion more powerful. LOEN is a subsidiary of SK Telecom. What is SK Telecom? A massive conglomerate that controls everything from Loen, and therefore Melon. SK Telecom is a subsidiary of SK Group. Along with Samsung and CJ Group, SK Group is "Big three" in korean entertainment and tech. Samsung>SK Group>CJ Group. You guys probably know ###### for all about Korean business, but it's going to be my future specialty, therefore I know it in and out. Now, what does this have to do with Kpop? Here is the thing, this is the reason why everyone distributes through Loen.

So, Mnet/CJ E&M would be a great choice for Nicole. Not only do they have the promotional power to let her do WHATEVER she wants (T-ara, FTIsland, Hyori, Shinhwa too name a few), but it's home to multiple "I want to choose my career path" idols. What does that mean? Hyori left DSP, JUST like Nicole, and she left it for CJ. CJ allowed Hyori to do WHATEVER SHE WANTED, and had the power to promote her. On top of that Shinhwa was under them, and Shinhwa were really the first "let's go solo, but also promote as a group" idols (aka, what Nicole wants to do based on her post). They also have CNBLUE and FTIsland who have complete control over their music. She could sign directly with CJ, or sign under a subsidiary. The reality is she wants to sign with a company that DOESN'T have a ton of artists. Why? SHE WANTS THE FOCUS. Hyori was one and only under CJ. I think within CJ, if she had to sign with a company, she should sign with FNC (god damn not Core Content...ever). FNC only has Juniel as a solo. Juniel has a different style, and won't clash with Nicole. On top of that, FNC is the third most powerful korean "ent" in the game. SM, YG, JYP? Please. FNC has FAR more power and control than JYP does. FTIsland and CNBLUE stomp on anything JYP has to offer. NOT ONLY THAT, but in the entire Korean industry, who are the most powerful Japanese idols? In order, FTIsland>CNBLUE>Kara. Both in terms of Japanese promotions and Korean promotions, FNC has the power in terms of money, idols, and distibution label (CJ Group). The move would make sense for Nicole, and she would fit into the companies style. Sign under FNC/CJE&M. If I had to advise Nicole from both a business and career aspect, this is where she should 100% go. 
 
There is another other option, but it's unlikely to happen. 
It's where Hyori and SS501 are. It's essentially an "EX-DSP" company, that split off when the CEO left DSP and took many people with him. The idols they manage are Hyori, Heo Yeong Saeng, another SS501 irrelevant on top of him, SPICA, and Eric Nam. SPICA is highly talented, and the company does a fine job training idols vocally. Therefore, if Nicole wants to become BETTER (which she needs too, like Hyori and Inyoung did after going solo) she needs a company that could train her to be better. On top of B2M being all Ex-DSP (therefore Nicole 100% having connections), they offer the services Nicole would want. The ONLY issue is distributing power of B2M is a little weak. So is the power to get her to go on variety and etc. HOWEVER, it has Hyori. What does that mean? Honestly, Nicole knows Hyori. I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt she doesn't know her better than the majority of idols (relatively around the same time) and Hyori understands Nicole's position right now I would bet. If she went to the same ent, she would have the access of Hyori, and therefore the advice and mentorship of Hyori. That alone is a strong thing she could consider. How close and how open to helping Nicole, Hyori is, is something I don't know. I think this is unlikely, and I think FNC/CJ is a better move regardless. Hyori was once under CJ ANYWAY, so if she wants to copy her career path, she could do that. 
 
The third, but worst option for her is a smaller ent, like KeyEast (housing Kim HyunJoong, ex SS501 (and therefore connected to Kara/Nicole). KeyEast has promotional power specifically in variety for example, and connections. It could be an option, or another similar ent that does the same thing. However, against, it's no where near the previous two options. She needs to bandwagon one of those smaller, but still helpful ents that sign "ex-idols" until she is in a position to MAKE THE CALLS. Right now she is at the mercy of others, and the previous two might not be options. A smaller ent might be her only choice.
 
Overall, I think Nicole has the talent and potential to make it as a solo artist. She is EASILY one of the most liked and respected Idols in the industry. Korea loves her. You can claim they like laughing AT her, but it's not that way. She is genuine, and kind. Otherwise she wouldn't be THE ONLY IDOL TO BREAK THROUGH THE HATE BETWEEN ENTS. No one else has done it, EXCEPT her. SM idols ARE NOT FRIENDS with anyone outside of SM. Aside from Nicole that is, and as I said before Heechul is the exception to this rule as well. Heechul, like I said before, can do whatever. He is a god among men in entertainment. However, i don't think Heechul has the talent to go solo, nor is in a position to ditch SM. Given Nicoles unique position, and being EXTREMELY liked in Korea (not unlike Hyori), she could easily advance her career. Whether you like Kara, or not, the reality is that Nicole is making a career move right now. Kara are the oldest idols in the business right now (excluding Suju, BB, TVXQ, and BEG), and it's about time they made a solo career. Kara's solo collection was the first step for that, but now Nicole wants more, and I don't blame her. It's time Kara stopped being Kara and moved on. Nicole is the first to make the step. She could remain an idol forever, stunt her growth as an artist and entertainer, be over worked and unable to make decisions, or take a small hit in the short run and bet on the long run. It's a simple idea. Invest a little in the short run, lose a little, but profit in the long run. Nicole is american. She isn't like the rest of these koreans. She doesn't sit down and take it up the butt (at least, not anymore). It's goddamn time. From a Kamilia, and one of Kara's most die hard supporters, go ######ing get it Nicole. 
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^Nice info above

 

But anyway.. It's kida sad what the world they have to live within, is about selling self and making money.

People say they support her and wants her to be happy, but here it could come that  making happiness is just making career. Well, I cant go ohere that having more money is or is not about having more happiness.

They (girls) just dont deserve to be in this mess. I hope they could end in some nice little job or something, somewhere, sometime. Supposing they could get used to normal life and be happy with it...

Whatever way she goes, I'm hoping for her that she won't deal with life like it was a simple calculation

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^Nice info above

 

But anyway.. It's kida sad what the world they have to live within, is about selling self and making money.

People say they support her and wants her to be happy, but here it could come that  making happiness is just making career. Well, I cant go ohere that having more money is or is not about having more happiness.

They (girls) just dont deserve to be in this mess. I hope they could end in some nice little job or something, somewhere, sometime. Supposing they could get used to normal life and be happy with it...

Whatever way she goes, I'm hoping for her that she won't deal with life like it was a simple calculation

 

Think of it this way. It's not really for the money necessarily. I am sure all 5 girls have enough money to last the rest of their lives (assuming they invested and are investing properly). It's a matter of how they want to build their career. Certain idols want to be famous (Lee Joon, Krystal), others want to make money (think Siwon, Yoona), and others love the job (Seungyeon is sorta a mixture of fame+job, Min, Jay Park). Other's want to build a career (Lee Sooman, YG, JYP, Psy, GDragon, Hyori) Then there is that bracket of Idols who just obey. Generally speaking they are younger idols who don't really KNOW what they want out of life yet (Suzy, Hyeri, etc). Nicole doesn't do it for the money (hence why she is giving up money for this chance), she is already mega famous, and I don't know how much she loves the job (She doesn't like the way she is treated in DSP, but she loves socializing with Idols). I don't think Nicole is that GD, Psy, Hyori, Brian type of Idol where she wants to build a career and found her own company, but she definitely wants some artistic freedom and is over being a standard Idol. 

It's all about goals. Seungyeon is easily one of the most driven idols in the industry, and WANTS to be an idol. She has always wanted it. Some idols really have their heart in it to be idols, other have different goals (like founding their own company like Brian is doing, or JYP and YG did in the past). It's not really about money, although SOME idols are in it for the money. However, they WANT to be in it for the money. Kara is one of the biggest groups. Nicole doesn't need to make a decision based on money, i guarantee you that. 

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:gemcry:  Everything is going to be ok... :gemcry:

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Honestly, I was really upset, shock and just entirely taken aback from the news. But after reading Nicole's twitter response to the whole issue, it sort of reassured me a little. I guess we all just have to have faith in KARA that they will and forever remain five. ^^

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We just have to support Nicole.... And also Kara members. Nicole want to be with Kara but inside different ent.... Like what Gyoshido said, "Nicole is american". American has a different way of thinking about things than koreans. All we can do just support her or maybe we can start a petition just like in Japan. The Japan kamillia start a petition.. How about us the global Kamillia?

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i know i'm kind of late. but i just need to vent?..express myself? lol, idk.

at first when i heard the news of her leaving or not resigning, i honestly was kind of pissed. almost like she betrayed us kamilia and kara to go solo.

so i took a break from them a bit just to soak it all in. i was just so upset cause i believed the five of them always wanted to be kara so when hearing about nicole, i was just so disappointed. i was having all these thoughts and emotions and everything. gahh. 

but then she made the tweet and after reading her tweet, i completely understand now.

sigh, but it still had me thinking, if she was to continue on as a kara member but be signed as a soloist in a different company, wouldn't that interfere with kara's activitys? askdlgja. gah. something like shinhwa? they took a pretty long break. ..gah. idk. 

but anyways, of course i still want her in kara and dsp would be a complete dumbass if they didn't resign her as a kara member but if not, i'll always support her on whatever she does and wherever she chooses to go. [although i'm still praying dsp won't make stupid decisions and kick her out]

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@Gyoshido WELCOME HERE..sorry about your PM to me ...can't really do multi forum anymore ..just mild spazzing lately... anyway thank you for you LONG POST INPUT here... again WELCOME HERE
 

 

 

For sure NICOLE thinking very carefuly since she also mention that she's also responsible for KARA's name as well..  

and besides ..the time is near ..lets all w8 what will happen... its too tiring to make any talks about it now because its about almost 3 months..then we can have our own answers ... 

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